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i was on the way to my grandma's house

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about four years ago

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and this big flash of light in the sky

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appeared

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with all different colors coming down

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from it and it was like it was going to

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land right in front of us

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and it never did it just shot up in the

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air all sudden really fast it was right

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before christmas time

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and my mom and everyone else sat and we

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really thought it was neat

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we noticed a very bright star-like

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object raised behind the rim of the

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forest

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it was rising slowly at an angle in our

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direction

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then when it had reached at considerable

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height

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and was right above us we saw a flush

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like an explosion then this object

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turned and disappeared outside of

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tremendous speed

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while the sightings in the soviet union

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are sensational

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the story of gulf breeze will play a

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major role in our program tonight

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we're down here in florida where we've

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assembled a whole town full of people

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who say they've seen the ufo that's

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haunted this community

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since last november

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the fact we are in contact with

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the extraterrestrials shouldn't be

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from the people my name is william

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coleman

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when i was at the pentagon i was public

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information officer for project blue

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book

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before that i was a fighter bomber pilot

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and i saw a flying saucer

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we in the soviet union are interested in

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exchanging information on ufos

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and extraterrestrials

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narrow nose and slit for about slits for

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years

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tonight for the first time in history

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men and women from all over the world

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come together via satellite

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to share their experiences about

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unidentified flying objects

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live from the nation's capital

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washington d.c

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lbs presents in association with

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seligman productions

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ufo cover-up live

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please welcome the distinguished actor

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producer our host

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mike farrell

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good evening what do a colonel in the

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united states

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air force a waiter in the soviet union a

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teacher in california

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and a former united states president

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have in common

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they all claim to have witnessed

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unidentified flying objects in the skies

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what we're dealing with tonight is the

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subject of universal interest

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whatever your view in the next two hours

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you'll hear claims and counter claims

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you'll hear some astounding perhaps

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disturbing things which

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if true could have far-reaching

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implications in our lives

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as is so often the case in complex

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questions it comes down

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to our assessment of the credibility of

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the individual so in this show

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you can take part by giving your opinion

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as to that credibility

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you'll also have the opportunity to

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report your own experience

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do saucers and et's exist does your

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government know

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about them if so are they covering it up

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why

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let's find out more a recent gallup poll

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discovered that only one-third of the

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american public

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denied the existence of unidentified

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flying objects

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ufo encounters are categorized into four

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it was a u-shaped craft i don't know how

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large it was because it's hard to scale

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distance in terms of how far i was my

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sister and i were just walking

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around the block and we looked up and

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you know lights uh on the bottom part of

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it that we could see as we looked up

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and uh this person has experienced a

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close encounter of the first kind

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you've had a close encounter of the

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first kind if you've seen a daylight

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disc or nocturnal light ufo at close

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on april 14th 1984 hundreds of people in

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the small

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mining town of morenci arizona witnessed

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a huge boomerang shaped object in the

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encounters of the second kind are visual

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evidence of a ufo's landing

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such as impressions made by the craft

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burned or irradiated soil trees or grass

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when deputy sheriff val johnson

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encountered a brilliantly lighted object

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his vehicle was knocked off the road the

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hood dented two antenna bent and a

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in a close encounter of the third kind

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which steven spielberg made famous

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the witness observes or actually

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abducted by extraterrestrials

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and eventually returned home unable to

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account for the missing time

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now there is a nominal charge of one

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dollar on your phone bill for each call

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to our 900 number

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the phones are active only in the united

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states and canada from 8 p.m friday

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eastern daylight time

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so if you've had a close encounter of

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post encounters of 1-900-400-6181 second

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kind call 1-900-400-6182

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if you've experienced a close encounter

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of the third kind please call

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1-900-400-6183

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that's only if you've had a third kind

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encounter though not if you've just seen

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the movie

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if you had a close encounter of the

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fourth kind and you are back

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we're anxious to hear from you please

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call 1-900-400-6184

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finally if you have never had an

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encounter with an unidentified flying

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object please call one nine hundred four

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ufo and would like to that's a long

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distance call and i don't have the

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tonight some of the world's leading ufo

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experts are joining us here in

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washington dc

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now welcome the author of the search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence

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the distinguished astrophysicist dr

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dr mcdonough to be part of this event

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in your opinion are we alone in the

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universe well my own estimate is that

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the size of the universe is difficult to

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comprehend in this galaxy

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there are billions of them so the sheer

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conclude that there must be life

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somewhere in the universe now there are

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many theories about the origin of life

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life comes in it goes like this

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and wait patiently but you'll have to be

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very patient it might take several

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bigger ones and then reproduction will

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burdened carrying fuel you could

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we are close to being able to get from

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thank you dr tom mcdonough

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stay with us bill moore and jamie

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chanduray introduce us to their

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government informants codenamed

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falcon and condor to protect their

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identities they were photographed in

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shadow with their voices disguised

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stay with ufo cover up live and find out

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why project blue book was classified top

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once again live from washington d.c your

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mike farrell with all the ufo sightings

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reported over the years in america the

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logical question is

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if they really exist why don't they

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and then there they were all of a sudden

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the air force tried and failed to

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over the white house

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the press conference two days later

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no way connected with any secret

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by any agency of the united states

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with all due respect to the air force i

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believe that some of them will prove to

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of interplanetary origin in my position

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the navy has no saucer-shaped aircraft

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in any of these programs

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headlines around the country around so

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much attention that the air force formed

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an official investigative unit project

289
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blue book

290
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with me now are two retired air force

291
00:10:31,509 --> 00:10:30,640
colonels who were actively involved in

292
00:10:32,949 --> 00:10:31,519
an inquiry

293
00:10:34,389 --> 00:10:32,959
colonel robert friend who headed up

294
00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:34,399
project blue book for five years and

295
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colonel william coleman

296
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a former air force squadron commander

297
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who was pentagon spokesman and chief of

298
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public information for the air force

299
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friend colonel coleman welcome gentlemen

300
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has the air force been involved with

301
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ufos before the white house incident

302
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uh during world war ii our pilots saw

303
00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:51,200
what were called

304
00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:54,480
gremlins and foo fighters these were

305
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fireballs that appeared to fly along

306
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with our aircraft

307
00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:00,240
we were concerned that these so-called

308
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foo fighters or fireballs might be

309
00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:03,839
foreign weapons that could threaten our

310
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national security

311
00:11:08,949 --> 00:11:06,320
and did the air force ever try to chase

312
00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:08,959
the ufo yes in fact in 1948 one of our

313
00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:10,079
pilots crashed

314
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in pursuit of a ufo the story made

315
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headlines all over the world

316
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as i understand that that crash added

317
00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,800
emphasis to the conclusion that ufos

318
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were extraterrestrial visitors

319
00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:21,279
that's true but the air force rejected

320
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the conclusion

321
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on the grounds of insufficient evidence

322
00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:26,399
even the name of the project was changed

323
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from sign to grudge during that period

324
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to preclude this unhealthy association

325
00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:32,000
however

326
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by the time blue book evolved we started

327
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running into trouble

328
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hearings and inquiries regarding the way

329
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in which we were performing ufo

330
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investigations in every instance

331
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the congress of the united states concur

332
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in the way

333
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in which we conducted these projects

334
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however

335
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we were not disappointed with the 1969

336
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decision to discontinue project bluebook

337
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out of the 12 000 reported ufo sightings

338
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only 700

339
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remain unexplained of that remainder

340
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100 of them really worried us why was

341
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that

342
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because these 100 sightings involve the

343
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two criteria that defined a worrisome

344
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phenomenon

345
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high strangeness and high credibility

346
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meaning that highly credible multiple

347
00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:17,279
witnesses

348
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like military airline pilots see

349
00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:21,680
something they've never seen before

350
00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:23,680
neither have you ever seen a ufo yes it

351
00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:26,079
was 1955 and i was a squadron commander

352
00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:27,120
at the time

353
00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:29,680
we were flying a b-25 over alabama where

354
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we spotted a strange silvery object some

355
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25

356
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000 feet above us heading in the same

357
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direction

358
00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:37,920
since we were overtaking it i changed

359
00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:39,200
course and eventually got within an

360
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eighth of a mile of it

361
00:12:43,350 --> 00:12:41,920
literally right on top of the thing so

362
00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:43,360
you must have gotten a fairly good look

363
00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:44,800
at it we certainly did

364
00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:47,360
the whole crew it was wingless a disc

365
00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:49,120
some 70 feet in diameter

366
00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:51,839
15 feet thick at the center your average

367
00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,360
run-of-the-mill flying saucer

368
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:55,440
and what happened then it performed an

369
00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:56,800
astonishing maneuver

370
00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,959
one second it was there the next it was

371
00:13:02,069 --> 00:13:01,040
gone but we chased it and caused sight

372
00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:02,079
of it again

373
00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:03,600
it was skimming over a farmer's field

374
00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:05,600
taking up vortexes of red dust

375
00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:07,839
as it flew we closed in on it from

376
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behind the trees

377
00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:11,440
but it vanished did you make a report of

378
00:13:15,190 --> 00:13:13,440
this incident well i wrote up reports

379
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:15,200
i was later debriefed by an intelligence

380
00:13:18,790 --> 00:13:17,120
officer years later when i was on

381
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:18,800
project blue book i tried to find my

382
00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:19,519
report

383
00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:23,040
it was not in the files not in the files

384
00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:25,040
now you say you saw this object at point

385
00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:26,480
blank range could it have been a

386
00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:28,000
balloon or an experimental aircraft

387
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,320
absolutely not it displayed a level of

388
00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:32,320
technology far beyond anything i had

389
00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:34,320
seen on the earth then and now

390
00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:36,079
with this advanced level of technology

391
00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:37,200
were you ever concerned that the object

392
00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:38,880
could be a threat to national security

393
00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:40,240
no not necessarily a threat to our

394
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:42,800
national security but i was uneasy about

395
00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:44,480
these ufos because they were able to

396
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,800
accomplish aerial feats that we couldn't

397
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:48,800
the apparent capability of these objects

398
00:13:52,710 --> 00:13:50,480
could possibly represent

399
00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:52,720
a threat to our national security what's

400
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:54,720
become a project blue book

401
00:14:02,069 --> 00:13:59,040
that's it mike it was cancelled in 1969

402
00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:02,079
and will not be reactivated well colonel

403
00:14:04,069 --> 00:14:03,440
coleman colonel friend thank you both

404
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:04,079
and

405
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:05,760
while we're on the subject of blue book

406
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:07,440
let's hear another view from a scientist

407
00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:08,800
currently working for the government

408
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:10,639
now because he has insisted on anonymity

409
00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:12,000
both his appearance and his voice have

410
00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,880
been altered

411
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:14,320
but his credentials have been thoroughly

412
00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:16,000
researched by the investigative team of

413
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:17,760
bill moore and jamie chanduray

414
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:28,790
by the air force to collect information

415
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:43,110
the interesting most exciting reports

416
00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:45,199
that came into blue book

417
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:48,160
um were often disciplined off by what

418
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:50,560
they call moles within the organization

419
00:15:11,509 --> 00:14:55,910
pulled out of the files and never

420
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,550
they certainly didn't want unknowns was

421
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:16,000
to minimize

422
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:19,120
uh the effects of these reports and

423
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,040
trying to explain away as many as they

424
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:23,519
could yeah of course it worked

425
00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:36,629
of course we know that they carried on

426
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,260
with a covert operation

427
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:42,320
[Music]

428
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:44,000
when blue book closed down the official

429
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,839
us government position was that ufos

430
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:46,720
didn't exist

431
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:48,320
and americans accepted this contention

432
00:15:52,480 --> 00:16:17,990
do you hear something hear what

433
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,829
subsequent reports were discredited

434
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:21,360
relegated to the tabloids at the

435
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,000
supermarket

436
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,320
checkout counter after blue book's final

437
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,399
report anyone who claimed to see a ufo

438
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:29,040
was considered some kind of nut

439
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:32,320
it was a saucer we saw it

440
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,440
we heard it both of us but more do we

441
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,600
need to know

442
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,079
we have to have time to think to

443
00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:42,480
evaluate this

444
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,749
so most sightings go unreported

445
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:49,360
particularly sightings by aircraft

446
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:56,949
could be a satellite 31 i have a primary

447
00:17:07,190 --> 00:16:58,000
target now in your

448
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,520
[Music]

449
00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:16,829
[Applause]

450
00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:28,549
[Music]

451
00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:40,070
turn right 30 degrees

452
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,909
with me now are dr richard f haynes and

453
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,520
captain neil daniels

454
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,080
dr haynes now retired directed research

455
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:47,919
and development projects at nasa's

456
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:50,320
ames research center for 20 years

457
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,440
welcome dr haynes

458
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:53,120
captain daniels dr haynes tell us about

459
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:54,240
pilot sightings that you've been

460
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,600
studying

461
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,000
well mike i've dealt with over 3 000

462
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,400
pilot cases from all over the world

463
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,480
including some very skeptical pilots i

464
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,200
might add who have since seen a ufo and

465
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,200
completely change their minds

466
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,760
and risk their reputations why do you

467
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,679
limit your research to pilots

468
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,600
well because pilots are very reliable

469
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,200
and credible witnesses

470
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:16,720
their jobs and their lives or their

471
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,480
passengers depend on them

472
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,000
they must be aware of what's going on in

473
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,480
the skies around unfortunately

474
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,559
most of them ask for anonymity really

475
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:26,080
why is that

476
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,440
well i think it's because of fear of

477
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:29,440
ridicule or worse fear of losing their

478
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:30,000
jobs

479
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,679
i mean no airline wants to be promoted

480
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,240
with the slogan fly us and see a ufo

481
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,720
might increase business fortunately we

482
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:38,240
do have a pilot who's come forward and

483
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:39,440
has enough courage to share his

484
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,480
experiences

485
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:42,240
captain neil daniels who flew for united

486
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,600
airlines for 35 years

487
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:45,360
captain daniels thanks for being here

488
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:46,880
would you tell us about your experience

489
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,679
with the ufo

490
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,280
uh i was piloting a flight from san

491
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,880
francisco to boston on

492
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,919
march the 12th in 1977

493
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,720
and an altitude of 37 000 feet i became

494
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,400
aware of a blinding bright

495
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,120
white light out to the left of the dc-10

496
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,960
i estimated to be at about a thousand

497
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:04,000
yards and

498
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,200
i don't know the object could have been

499
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,200
several hundred feet in diameter

500
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:10,000
but it didn't read on ground radar could

501
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,960
you tell what it was

502
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,120
no could it have been a commercial

503
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,559
flight or a military aircraft

504
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,559
absolutely not at the speed of which it

505
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:18,080
departed i've never seen anything like

506
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,559
it

507
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,080
was this object in any way a threat to

508
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,000
your plane the three compasses were

509
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,679
indicating opposite directions and the

510
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:25,520
plane was veering off and banking to the

511
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,320
left from this

512
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,640
by a strong magnetic pull well how did

513
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,919
you and your crew react

514
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,840
uh the flight engineer kept repeating uh

515
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:33,520
i don't want to see it i don't want to

516
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:34,400
know about it

517
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,320
file a report it was a short layover and

518
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:40,000
the faa would have hassled me all night

519
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,120
so i let it go

520
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,679
so that was the end of that yes but uh

521
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,280
six months later i was on a hunting trip

522
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,640
with my boss and

523
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,039
i told him the story and he said gee i'm

524
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,720
sorry you told me that strange things

525
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,840
happen to people who have these

526
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:52,559
sightings

527
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,760
strange things like what well in my

528
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,520
experience people are fearfully losing

529
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,440
their jobs or being transferred

530
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,440
so much for telling the truth well thank

531
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,120
you dr haynes captain daniels for coming

532
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,960
forward on ufo cover-up

533
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,720
incidentally captain daniels now

534
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,480
lectures at san francisco's fear of

535
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,600
flying clinic

536
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,280
i mean flying airplanes not flying

537
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:13,760
saucers

538
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,430
holy mackerel urban power to american

539
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,480
flight 812

540
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:36,549
trouble take a look for yourself

541
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,909
that's nothing from this world

542
00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:42,480
coming up a startling report live from

543
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,630
moscow

544
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,159
[Music]

545
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,720
not only did the pilot and the crew see

546
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,919
that beautiful

547
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,159
but also made of the passengers of the

548
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:53,919
plane

549
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:56,159
ufo sightings are happening all over the

550
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,200
world

551
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,960
through the freedom of information act

552
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,159
we've obtained a report from iran

553
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,120
on september 18 1976 the imperial

554
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,880
iranian air force reported flying

555
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,640
objects so bright they illuminated the

556
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,080
ground below

557
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,840
alarm citizens all over tehran

558
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:13,360
telephoned authorities with similar

559
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,320
sightings

560
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,840
simultaneous reports came from the

561
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,000
iranian air force tower personnel and

562
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,360
ground radar

563
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,200
us military intelligence forwarded

564
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,720
reports to the defense intelligence

565
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,600
agency

566
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,440
as far as we've been able to ascertain

567
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,400
dia did nothing with these reports

568
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,799
guatemala central america camera crews

569
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,880
were poised to film a car commercial

570
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:34,720
suddenly the cameraman was distracted by

571
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,210
lights in the sky

572
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,960
[Music]

573
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,640
and now for manitoba canada an

574
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,400
eyewitness account welcome

575
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,080
mr robert berry an independent

576
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:45,760
researcher and investigator from york

577
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,880
pennsylvania

578
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,240
bob tell us about the sighting near

579
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,830
we're watching as this ufo moves across

580
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,480
the screen

581
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,600
three times at normal speed then

582
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:59,840
the same movement once in very slow

583
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,799
motion 140 at the normal speed

584
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:04,880
now here's another sighting of the same

585
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,760
object also witnessed by the whole town

586
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,480
of carmen manitoba who turned out for

587
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,640
the incredible light show

588
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,520
now as we slow the film down watch as

589
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,960
the ufo jumps

590
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,960
from the right side of the screen to the

591
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,159
top of the screen

592
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,760
and lights up the whole sky the ufo is

593
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,720
calculated

594
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,919
to have been traveling faster and 30 000

595
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,470
it's very impressive in fact it didn't

596
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,559
appear to light up the whole sky

597
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,039
now live by satellite to moscow for the

598
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,000
first ufo glasnost in television history

599
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,520
please welcome from the soviet news

600
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,679
agency tas our journalist and ufo

601
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,480
investigator

602
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:46,080
who has researched many encounters with

603
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:47,520
ufos in the soviet union

604
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:50,880
mr sergei boulansoff

605
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:54,799
welcome sergey

606
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,549
we don't seem to be getting through i've

607
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,880
been listening to the show michael

608
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
it's really very exciting i am very

609
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,440
pleased to be a part of it

610
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,919
thank you sir tell me what are the most

611
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,080
impressive recent ufo reports in the

612
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,990
in 1984 a tuple of aircraft flying from

613
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,880
tbc

614
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,080
to italian encountered a ufo

615
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:27,600
at 4 10 a.m can you tell me who

616
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:28,159
witnessed

617
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:38,149
no first the pilot noticed a bright

618
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:41,840
beam of light shoot down to the ground

619
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:45,120
everything on the ground road and houses

620
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:45,520
were

621
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,000
totally eliminated by the

622
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,440
these illustration they are totally

623
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:55,120
illuminated

624
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,870
the beam of light was redirected onto

625
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,320
the airplane

626
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:08,000
and the crew saw a blinding white point

627
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:08,960
of light

628
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,960
surrounded by concentric colored circles

629
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,960
as i'm told that that indicates the

630
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,600
presence of a very strong magnetic field

631
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
what happened next the right point of

632
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:22,000
light swept down to the plane

633
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,840
leaving a green cloud and began to swing

634
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,360
from left to right

635
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:30,480
up and down once again finally

636
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,320
finally it flew alongside the

637
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,440
airplane and as if it was

638
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:40,799
an escort the passengers of the plane

639
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,400
also saw this ufo and

640
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,440
after landing in italian estonia

641
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:50,799
the crew was told that these ue4 had

642
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,200
been

643
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
also seen on the rudder screen

644
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:56,240
the common denominator in these

645
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,159
sightings seems to be some sort of thing

646
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,000
1981 in euros level

647
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,039
uh some 200 kilometers from moscow north

648
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:06,640
of moscow

649
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:10,480
two witnesses vitali 23 and

650
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,000
alexander 32 saw something really very

651
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,520
strange in the park that was an

652
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,559
egg-shaped audio object

653
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,919
lying on the ground uh just six or maybe

654
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,960
seven meters

655
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,240
from them the object was bluish

656
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:31,679
about five meters in diameter and uh

657
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:39,430
it suddenly the object moved

658
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:43,440
and began to open like a flower

659
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,559
alexander saw two human like beings

660
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,360
two human-like beings of european tie of

661
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,720
european type

662
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,919
but very tall more than two meters close

663
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,640
to seven

664
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:00,159
feet they grew up from the center of the

665
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,360
road object

666
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:05,120
and approached alexander he said

667
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:08,880
both beings were radiating some kind of

668
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,200
rose rose-colored light their

669
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:16,000
heads were clear but the rest of their

670
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,559
bodies

671
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,760
was out seemed out of focus

672
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,559
and then a very strange telepathic

673
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:23,840
conversation

674
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:27,679
took place they said don't be afraid

675
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,600
we won't hurt you in the movie uh here

676
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,120
the close encounters of the third kind

677
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,799
the extraterrestrials communicate with

678
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,559
us through some sort of language of

679
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:38,159
music much as you suggested they talked

680
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,960
to alexander

681
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,200
what happened next both human-like

682
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,120
beings entered the flower

683
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,400
it closed and disappeared

684
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:47,679
what about the other man what was he

685
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,909
all this time he was sitting on the snow

686
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,240
as if he was paralyzed

687
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,880
he didn't but he didn't take part in the

688
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,480
conversation

689
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,200
i don't blame him have you investigated

690
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:05,520
any abduction cases in the ussr

691
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:08,799
uh yes in

692
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:12,880
in june 1975 near borisov

693
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:16,159
south of moscow at 2 am

694
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:21,039
a soviet army officer saw a very strange

695
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:25,919
domed ue4 aircraft on the ground

696
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,120
he he approached it and saw

697
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,320
two alien silhouettes inside when he

698
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:34,640
came closer he felt something like

699
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,000
an invisible wall and don then lost

700
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,360
consciousness when he recovered

701
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:44,720
he saw an alien craft aircraft

702
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,240
fly away he thought about

703
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,279
uh 15 minutes had passed but when

704
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,440
he checked his watch much to his

705
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,640
amazement

706
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,760
one hour had passed and

707
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,120
later he had

708
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:04,240
the same dream over and over again

709
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,880
he was flying over the ufo landing side

710
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,760
so he thinks he was abducted that sounds

711
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,120
actually very similar to some of the

712
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,559
abduction stories we've encountered in

713
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,679
the united states

714
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,279
i understand you have some photographs

715
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:19,039
that you can show us

716
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:23,440
yes certainly this one was made

717
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:27,679
in bulgaria near stara zagora

718
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,080
in july of 1978

719
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,159
a married couple was drinking tea at

720
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,240
their country house when they saw this

721
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,520
hovering object

722
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,080
they took this snapshot with a polaroid

723
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:41,919
camera

724
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:45,200
and there is ue4 this

725
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:49,919
ufo had been seen please change picture

726
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:53,360
please change picture and

727
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,399
another year for this year for

728
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:01,600
yes this ufo had been seen

729
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:04,960
near uh at the murmansk region near

730
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,799
finland's border the same year

731
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,520
this snapshot had been reportedly made

732
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,120
by the militia

733
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,919
thank you sergey joining us now is

734
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,440
leonard nikitian

735
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,360
science secretary excuse me of the

736
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,720
working group extraterrestrial

737
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,480
intelligence in the ussr

738
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:25,120
academy of sciences mr nikitian i

739
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,080
understand that you have

740
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:28,559
thousands of reports of ufo sightings in

741
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:29,120
the

742
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:40,640
explained later as natural events

743
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:44,480
but some were mysterious

744
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:48,159
and unexplainable i feel these are

745
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:51,600
extraterrestrial probes without

746
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,760
life as we know it uh you mean unmanned

747
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,960
space probes

748
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,360
was there any uh official reaction to

749
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,880
ufos from soviet science

750
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,760
recently most uh scientists here

751
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:05,360
dismissed them

752
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:09,600
but now the situation is

753
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:14,000
changing several years ago we formed

754
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,840
a ufo group that included

755
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:20,960
many investigators scientists

756
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,320
cosmonauts technicians

757
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:27,600
writers journalists and so on

758
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:31,840
in 1944

759
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,240
in 19 it's all right 84

760
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,520
we published an announcement in

761
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,960
several soviet newspapers

762
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,320
asking anyone who had had

763
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,440
a ufo experience

764
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,799
to contact our organization

765
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,240
that's interesting we're doing the very

766
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,520
same thing tonight what kind of

767
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:56,720
responses did you get

768
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,039
it only appeared to us we were amazed

769
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:04,559
to receive approximately 20

770
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,080
000 letters now

771
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:11,360
we are attempting to approach

772
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:16,320
the ufo ufo phenomena

773
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:24,950
in our search for methods to contact

774
00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:28,640
this extraterrestrial intelligence

775
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:32,519
personally i am sure will meet

776
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,080
extraterrestrial at last

777
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,360
maybe sooner than we think thank you sir

778
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,679
sergey boulansoff leonard nikitian thank

779
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:43,679
you very much for all you've done so far

780
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,590
now back to washington dc live and mike

781
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,110
in the 1950s america went ufo crazy

782
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:08,640
waves of sightings were often followed

783
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,830
pranksters were busy airbrushing

784
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,840
negatives and doing photographic cut and

785
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,120
paste jobs

786
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,039
they even tossed saucepans in front of

787
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,799
the camera and dangled hubcaps in the

788
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,600
air

789
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,880
obviously they were just out to get

790
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,960
publicity george

791
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,360
adamski claimed direct contact with

792
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,360
blond-haired aliens who took him to the

793
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:30,880
moon in venus

794
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,110
then came the barker incident at a small

795
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,799
airfield in west virginia where this

796
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,559
film footage was shot

797
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,640
this was termed the lost creek flying

798
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,679
saucer

799
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,279
many people who saw this film believed

800
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,880
that the hanging thing you see was in

801
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:52,320
fact a ufo

802
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,919
we'll leave it to you the 60s and 70s

803
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,360
brought various groups of people who

804
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,200
actually built saucer-shaped vehicles

805
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,549
and about 10 years ago there began what

806
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:06,320
we believe to be the most elaborate hoax

807
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,799
of all

808
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,440
a swiss farmer billy meyer claimed to

809
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,039
have had direct contact with an

810
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,880
extraterrestrial group from the pleiades

811
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,430
meyer produced photographs of what he

812
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,360
called beam ships

813
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,389
the occupants of these beam ships

814
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,919
interestingly one of the aliens looked

815
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,200
very much like a swiss

816
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,120
fashion model and the so-called beam

817
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,880
ship was found in his barn

818
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,640
now billy myers beam ships may have been

819
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,799
obvious hoax but thousands of ufo

820
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,919
sightings from all over the world are

821
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,000
not so easily explained away

822
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,760
joining me now from the suburbs of new

823
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,480
york city are robert pazuoli a computer

824
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:44,080
systems executive and his wife laurie

825
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,279
i'm glad you could be with us tonight

826
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,360
thank you and nice to be here uh tell us

827
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,519
what happened to you four years ago

828
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,120
local residents around our town of

829
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,919
brewster new york reported seeing ufos

830
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:56,159
more than 9 000 reports came in and were

831
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,120
always the same

832
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,679
noiseless wolverines boomerang shaped

833
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,840
objects approximately 150 feet from

834
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,440
wingtip to wingtip

835
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,600
when we spotted it i had my video camera

836
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,279
and we quickly started shooting

837
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,359
the footage you'll see i think your

838
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:10,720
comments on the tape are especially

839
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:11,440
interesting

840
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,109
oh good god i don't know

841
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,679
i'm not playing i'll be i'm going to

842
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:24,960
tell you something honey

843
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,030
tell me what kind of effect this

844
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,800
sighting has had on your life

845
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,520
wow we've become very popular well

846
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,720
that's certainly not bad isn't it

847
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,720
no bob and lori paswalli thank you very

848
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,000
much for joining us tonight

849
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,399
thank you now from the piney woods of

850
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,119
east texas on december 23rd 1980

851
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,639
comes a bizarre close encounter of the

852
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,159
second kind experienced by our next

853
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,720
guests betty cash and vicki landrum

854
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,560
betty vicki thank you for making the

855
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,760
trip here tonight

856
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:58,000
welcome to our show tell me what

857
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,119
happened to you that night

858
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,599
it was a very cool night vic and i and

859
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,359
her grandson were coming back from

860
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,640
playing bingo

861
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,520
suddenly little kobe noticed a bright

862
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,079
light in the sky above the pine trees

863
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,240
a tremendous amount of heat was coming

864
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,560
from this diamond shape thing

865
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,960
fire was coming out of the bottom of it

866
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,000
when it moved it made a swishing sound

867
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,800
and there was a beeping the entire time

868
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,960
a deadly building that i still hear in

869
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,960
my mind at night

870
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:29,200
all three of us got out of the car and

871
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,000
toby and i got

872
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:33,119
right back in i just stood there

873
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,160
terrified

874
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,359
for about 10 minutes the object lit up

875
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,440
the surrounding pine woods like it was

876
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,240
daylight

877
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,960
and i was burning my skin was burning

878
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,320
well you must have been terrified

879
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,960
how long did the craft hover over you oh

880
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,680
about 20 minutes

881
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,440
fire was coming out of the bottom like a

882
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,839
bow torch it lifted up and then flew

883
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,280
over the trees

884
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,040
that was when we saw the helicopters

885
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,280
come out the helicopters

886
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,839
colby county 23 of them and i understand

887
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,040
in fact you later identified them as

888
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,920
ch-47 chinook military helicopters

889
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,680
yes it seems that they were trying to

890
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,440
escort the crash somewhere

891
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,280
it looked like they were about to

892
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,560
collide the roar sounded like a tornado

893
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,440
when we got home i washed kobe off and

894
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,720
put him to bed

895
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,720
when the water touched his skin he cried

896
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,760
out like he had been burned

897
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,720
as if he had been in the sun too long

898
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,280
and i was too sick to work the next day

899
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,280
my eyes swelled closed and welts

900
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,119
appeared on my face and head

901
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,839
i thought it was going to die vicky came

902
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:37,599
and took me at the emergency room of the

903
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,320
hospital

904
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,440
they treated me like a burn patient

905
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,839
over the next few days i kept losing big

906
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,079
patches of skin on my face

907
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,960
and about half my hair fell out they

908
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,119
kept me in the hospital over a month

909
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,599
with no improvement it seems to me it

910
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,119
takes remarkable inner strength to

911
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:56,560
survive an ordeal like that how are you

912
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,280
doing now

913
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,640
i have cancer i was operated on in march

914
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,359
1983 and the doctors could not say if

915
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,880
they got it all

916
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,520
now some days i'm okay other days are

917
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,480
terrible

918
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,680
has the government ever expressed a

919
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:11,280
willingness to take responsibility for

920
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:11,920
this thing

921
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
no and i'm mad i'm mad as hell

922
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,880
and disappointed with the government of

923
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,240
our united states

924
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,920
i don't blame you ms cash and ms landrum

925
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,200
thank you for joining us in washington i

926
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,640
i think you two are extraordinarily

927
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,760
courageous ladies

928
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,200
thank you thank you we would like you to

929
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,119
see this exclusive videotape of a man we

930
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,640
know only as falcon

931
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,400
we asked him what the truth was

932
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,359
concerning your case

933
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:38,560
the cache landrum incident the craft

934
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:41,760
that was observed was a

935
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,359
alien craft piloted by

936
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,960
military aircraft pilots

937
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,079
although they had been trained and were

938
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,960
somewhat familiar with the craft they

939
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,000
found

940
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,520
that the aircraft did not

941
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,560
respond to certain

942
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,760
controls they revealed that they thought

943
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,200
the craft was going to crash standard

944
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,320
procedures

945
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,520
for the military in a situation

946
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,640
where an aircraft was going to crash the

947
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,800
military would send up search and rescue

948
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:20,079
helicopters

949
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,040
the craft experienced severe problems

950
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,280
it was thought that the craft was going

951
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:30,640
to crash

952
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,470
here are two hypotheses one the ufo

953
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,079
betty cash and vicki landrum saw was

954
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,359
actually an aircraft developed by the

955
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,880
united states government

956
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,800
another possibility suggested by falcon

957
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:46,240
is that it was a craft given our

958
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,390
rosemary osnato a commercial graphic

959
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:54,400
artist lives in new york city's east

960
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,120
village

961
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,040
[Music]

962
00:39:01,810 --> 00:38:59,040
rosemary suffered a broken kneecap last

963
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,820
year and is recuperating from the injury

964
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,760
[Music]

965
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,760
al haseem lives in the bronx with his

966
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,599
wife an 11 year old daughter and works

967
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,359
the 4 pm to midnight shift for the

968
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,079
telephone company in manhattan

969
00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:14,160
in his off hours al likes to play guitar

970
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,140
and write songs

971
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,000
[Music]

972
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,240
lisa salviano of lake hiawatha new

973
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,839
jersey is 24

974
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,599
married and pregnant with her first

975
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,280
child

976
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:27,520
she works as a secretary in morristown

977
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,870
these three ordinary individuals

978
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,640
unrelated to one another share one

979
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,480
extraordinary experience

980
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,400
with the guidance of a psychiatrist dr

981
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,560
rima labo they've been able to relive

982
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,000
deeply buried memories that will

983
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,200
astonish you

984
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,880
under hypnosis the subjects are put into

985
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,880
a relaxed state in which they can recall

986
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,640
these disturbing memories

987
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,240
and once regressed they relive the

988
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,680
experience in real time

989
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,920
often very emotionally moment by moment

990
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,440
they re-experience what

991
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,800
what they went through the first time

992
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,480
though it may have taken place months or

993
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,839
even years earlier

994
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:01,760
now please watch as we replay portions

995
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,910
i can see this lights in the city

996
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,119
and there was this light coming over my

997
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:16,640
head

998
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:21,520
very bright very tense light very sharp

999
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,359
heavy it was coming straight down

1000
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,720
kept looking and see what was on the

1001
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,839
roof

1002
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,560
i'm trying to see what it is i can't i

1003
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,190
what's preventing you from seeing

1004
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,040
because it's so bright i can't i can't

1005
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,560
look through the brightness to see what

1006
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:41,839
it is

1007
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,270
here woke up there's something outside

1008
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,270
mm-hmm

1009
00:41:04,710 --> 00:40:59,589
they wanted me to they wanted me to go

1010
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:06,150
and i didn't know how i would get out

1011
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,309
but when i thought that all of a sudden

1012
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,760
i started

1013
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,990
up and out and i went through the window

1014
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,630
and i thought that was so neat can you

1015
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,480
feel your feet on the floor

1016
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:30,079
walking in the regular way no

1017
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:35,280
no it doesn't seem like i walk because

1018
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,240
it seems like i don't say anything like

1019
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:42,960
when you walk in you can see like things

1020
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,400
going up and down when you walk

1021
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,760
this is smooth when you get to the end

1022
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,880
of this walk

1023
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,000
where are you some kind of control or

1024
00:42:04,390 --> 00:41:58,950
what makes it look like some kind of

1025
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:07,430
this it's like a big console

1026
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:10,720
in there i think there's a table and

1027
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,359
the table in the room like an eating

1028
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:15,280
table

1029
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,440
horse

1030
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,640
if you make me want it you know you

1031
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,720
lie down on the table you're lying on

1032
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,640
your tummy

1033
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,280
my back and your back when you're lying

1034
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,440
there

1035
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,800
are you alone no they're all over

1036
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,079
they're all over does anybody touch you

1037
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,800
i think they're doing yeah why didn't i

1038
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,920
touch you

1039
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:44,960
i think i'm going arms and legs

1040
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,400
are you alone no they're all over

1041
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,000
how many of them are there around the

1042
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:53,440
camera at least four or five

1043
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,880
and are they all doing something or are

1044
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,720
they all watching them they're watching

1045
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,160
too

1046
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,760
how many of them are actually doing

1047
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:03,200
something

1048
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,810
they're so ugly what makes them so ugly

1049
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:08,000
[Music]

1050
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:13,839
look me what makes them look mean

1051
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,040
i don't smile you don't smile oh my

1052
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:20,160
god he's ugly that is an

1053
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,480
ugly thing very ugly

1054
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:27,680
his head looks pathetic his heads

1055
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,880
they just don't look right their heads

1056
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:32,240
don't look right

1057
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:35,920
they look distorted and very sickly

1058
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,640
it's um skull looks uh pointed in the

1059
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,599
front and

1060
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,000
larger in the back he looks a little bit

1061
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:45,119
insect

1062
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,100
the shape of his head

1063
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,680
[Music]

1064
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,839
tell me about the shape of his head

1065
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:55,839
almost like a football

1066
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,680
their eyes are very black and

1067
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:04,950
sort of wrinkled around the edges around

1068
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:08,640
the eyes are sort of like lizard eyes in

1069
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,440
a way

1070
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,079
big black eyes big black eyes do they

1071
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:18,470
oh her eyes black

1072
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,430
with us now is the noted psychiatrist dr

1073
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,560
arima lebeau

1074
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,240
and the best-selling author and

1075
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,240
researcher bud hopkins

1076
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,839
dr lebeau bud is the author of two books

1077
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,240
intruders and missing time a documented

1078
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,680
study of abductions

1079
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,880
thank you both for coming to washington

1080
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,040
to see us dr labo you've done

1081
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,880
studies of ufo abductees who have been

1082
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,319
hypnotically regressed can you tell us

1083
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,119
about it

1084
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,280
psychiatrists are trained to recognize

1085
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,359
emotional trauma and to treat it not to

1086
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,000
evaluate whether aliens exist

1087
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,920
many of these patients are sensitive

1088
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,079
sane people who have in common only the

1089
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,760
belief that they've been abducted

1090
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,280
and they're frightened by what happened

1091
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:03,520
to them they don't want fame money or

1092
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,160
publicity

1093
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,520
only relief from hidden painful memories

1094
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,119
now skeptics question the use of

1095
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,440
hypnosis however careful examination of

1096
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,440
the material shows its usefulness in

1097
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,520
these traumatic situations

1098
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,520
they also say that abduction reports are

1099
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,599
the products of overly rich fantasy

1100
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,280
lives if that were the case

1101
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,040
the report should be as diverse as

1102
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,280
people's dreams instead we find

1103
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,920
striking similarities and accounts from

1104
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,920
all kinds of people from all walks of

1105
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,520
life

1106
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,560
traumatic stress disorder does not occur

1107
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,800
unless there has been external trauma

1108
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,040
like that that some vietnam vets and

1109
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,800
assault victims or rape victims

1110
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,640
experience but

1111
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,720
many abductees show the serious and

1112
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,640
disabling effects of helplessness and

1113
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,760
violation

1114
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,400
with proper treatment these symptoms can

1115
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,960
be relieved

1116
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,839
bud hopkins must everyone who claims to

1117
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,680
have been abducted be hypnotized

1118
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,359
absolutely not necessarily at all in

1119
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,119
about twenty five percent of the cases

1120
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,280
there is no memory loss at all

1121
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,800
in the other seventy five percent the

1122
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,160
loss of memory seems to have happened

1123
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,520
because their abductors put them in

1124
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,599
something like a hypnotic trance state

1125
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,160
i see so a counter trance is helpful to

1126
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:13,520
get them to remember the abduction

1127
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,160
experience

1128
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,160
but what makes reports of abduction

1129
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,480
believable essentially the commonalities

1130
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,400
of these accounts a cluster of similar

1131
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,359
recollections

1132
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,960
in cases i've had from all over the

1133
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,480
world all the continents of the world

1134
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,200
and i've studied

1135
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,359
hundreds of cases that people notice a

1136
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,880
period of missing time which they cannot

1137
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,880
explain there's a lot of fear and

1138
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,800
terror sometimes about a remembered

1139
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,079
place

1140
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,839
there are strange lights that they

1141
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,119
describe in a similar way the

1142
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,800
descriptions of the craft the crafts

1143
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:40,560
interior the crafts occupants are

1144
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,200
described

1145
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,359
in extraordinarily similar ways they

1146
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,480
also describe the

1147
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,359
medical procedures that uh occur in very

1148
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,880
very much the same way

1149
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,720
and the most interesting thing and sad

1150
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,480
thing of all perhaps is that

1151
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,240
these abductors are not interested in

1152
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,680
communicating with our minds but they're

1153
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,359
interested in the physical state of our

1154
00:47:12,230 --> 00:46:58,560
bodies

1155
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:15,750
come i will show you wonders

1156
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,359
you have never seen before

1157
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,440
ufo cover-up continues live from

1158
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,359
washington dc with our host

1159
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,359
mike farrell one of the most intriguing

1160
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,920
ufo stories occurred in july of 1947 in

1161
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,960
new mexico

1162
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,040
with me now are bill moore co-author of

1163
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,480
the roswell incident and nuclear

1164
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,680
physicist stanton t

1165
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,280
friedman both of these gentlemen have

1166
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,720
done extensive research on this case

1167
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,160
thanks for joining us

1168
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,599
bill how many people were involved in

1169
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,520
the new mexico incident we have personal

1170
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:46,160
testimonies from about a hundred people

1171
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,599
one of the most important of these

1172
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
people was bill brazel

1173
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,520
brazil's father managed the land where

1174
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,520
the incident took place

1175
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,359
apparently a ufo had been caught in a

1176
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,960
thunder and lightning storm while in the

1177
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,680
area

1178
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,839
the next day brazil's father went out on

1179
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,760
horseback to check for property damage

1180
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,680
and came upon the wreckage of a strange

1181
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,359
aircraft which fanned out for nearly

1182
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,400
half a mile

1183
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,240
the corpses were found a couple of miles

1184
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,680
from the site of the crash

1185
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,119
just a moment corpses dead alien bodies

1186
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,520
called extraterrestrial biological

1187
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,440
entities ebes if you wish

1188
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,040
we got reports that they appear to be

1189
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,880
small humanoid bodies with large

1190
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,079
hairless heads

1191
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,000
wearing one-piece seamless gray

1192
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,520
skin-like clothing

1193
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,960
we assume they must have ejected from

1194
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,880
their craft with some kind of ejection

1195
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,839
capsule

1196
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,599
air force came and recovered the bodies

1197
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,200
and took them away for autopsies

1198
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,760
gentlemen autopsies ebe's assist rather

1199
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,359
unsettling information level with us

1200
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,680
what do we know to be fact we know these

1201
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,680
are the facts a very strange spacecraft

1202
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,400
exploded

1203
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,240
pieces of the craft were recovered

1204
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,839
several bodies were found and removed

1205
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,200
along with the wreckage

1206
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,960
we can prove the story was covered up

1207
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,119
very quickly at the highest level

1208
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:53,119
and given a classification above top

1209
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:54,160
secret

1210
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,680
flying saucers are real period

1211
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,119
first person sent by the air force to

1212
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,640
investigate the crash site and to take

1213
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:02,240
care of the wreckage was a major jessie

1214
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:03,200
marcel

1215
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,880
was 12 years old at the time and

1216
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:08,400
needless to say has never forgotten that

1217
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,200
incident

1218
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,109
nice to see you

1219
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,720
doctor tell us if you will about the

1220
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,240
night your dad came home from that crash

1221
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,520
site

1222
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,440
my father came home with his car loaded

1223
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:25,359
with debris after investigating the

1224
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,240
crash site

1225
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,760
he brought the material into the house

1226
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,599
where he my mother and i

1227
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,760
sorted through this stuff hmong glitter

1228
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,800
was a foil-like

1229
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,040
cheating alloy it was metallic and it

1230
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,800
looked like the skin of an aircraft

1231
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,559
but it was unlike anything i had ever

1232
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,240
seen also

1233
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,000
there was an eye being about a foot to a

1234
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,680
foot and a half in length by one half

1235
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,800
inch across

1236
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,960
the inner surface had hieroglyphic like

1237
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,000
symbols on it

1238
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:50,000
like egyptian symbols as i recall them

1239
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:51,440
and what was the air force's explanation

1240
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,480
of all this

1241
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,400
the explanation was that a weather

1242
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,520
balloon had crashed

1243
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,800
did your father think it was a weather

1244
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,640
balloon anything but

1245
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,319
i believe the meaning behind his words

1246
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,599
was that he suspected there might have

1247
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,800
been some kind of cover-up

1248
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,000
what happened to all this debris you've

1249
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,920
described well the debris which had been

1250
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,680
removed was never seen again

1251
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,599
it was taken from your house to carswell

1252
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,000
air force base in fort worth texas

1253
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,599
now dr marcel you've examined the

1254
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:15,040
material firsthand you've had a long

1255
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,079
time to think about it

1256
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,680
what is your assessment of the roswell

1257
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,640
incident i held the material in my hand

1258
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:23,280
it was not from this earth or this

1259
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:23,839
universe

1260
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,599
think we're not alone

1261
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,079
thank you gentlemen now if this story is

1262
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,520
true then we have to rethink the

1263
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:34,000
government's role in history of ufos

1264
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,280
the government in fact may have had the

1265
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,400
answer in their hands over 40 years ago

1266
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,000
the united states air force has played a

1267
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,839
major role in america's attitude toward

1268
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,359
unidentified flying objects

1269
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,640
here's another account of how the air

1270
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,400
force dealt with such phenomena

1271
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,319
with me is author and filmmaker robert

1272
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,440
emeneger

1273
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,280
and former security manager and chief of

1274
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,640
requirements for the audio visual

1275
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:54,240
program at norton air force base paul

1276
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,040
shardle

1277
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:57,040
gentlemen mr emineger how did you get

1278
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,079
involved with ufos

1279
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,240
well it was in 1973 when i was vice

1280
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:02,000
president of gray advertising and i took

1281
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,440
time out and went to norton air force

1282
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,119
base to explore subjects for

1283
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,880
television specials related to the

1284
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,640
defense department

1285
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,720
while discussing several of the subjects

1286
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,000
ufos came up and

1287
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,240
paul here told us about a film of a

1288
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,160
landing of alien crafts at

1289
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:18,400
holloman air force base about three

1290
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,359
years earlier

1291
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,440
what did you see mr shuttle i saw

1292
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,480
footage of three

1293
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,559
disc shaped crafts one of the crafts

1294
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,079
landed and two and one away

1295
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,920
why did it land it appeared to be in

1296
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,520
trouble because it oscillated all the

1297
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,119
way down to the ground however

1298
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:34,160
it did land on three pods a sliding door

1299
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,200
open

1300
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,520
a ramp was extended and out came three

1301
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,520
aliens

1302
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,960
what did they look like well they were

1303
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:43,359
human sized they had odd gray complexion

1304
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,839
and a

1305
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,839
pronounced nose they wore tight fitting

1306
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,440
jumpsuits thin head dresses that

1307
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,680
appeared to be communication devices

1308
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,920
and their hands in their hands they held

1309
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:53,200
a translator

1310
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,960
i was told a holloman base commander

1311
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:58,400
another air force officer went out to

1312
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,880
meet them

1313
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,400
you actually saw these aliens on the

1314
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,920
film yes

1315
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,839
this film footage sounded very very

1316
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,520
special and we wanted to use it as the

1317
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,280
ending of our television special

1318
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,280
did you was it in your special well

1319
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,960
although the pentagon had been very very

1320
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,559
cooperative all the way at the last

1321
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,720
minute the film was confiscated and we

1322
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,720
lost the whole finale of our show but

1323
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,079
what i saw and heard was enough to

1324
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:20,000
convince me that you know the phenomenon

1325
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,040
of ufos is

1326
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,119
real very real mr charlotte what did

1327
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,640
your superior officers tell you

1328
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,480
i was told it was theatrical footage the

1329
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,400
air force has purchased to make a

1330
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,920
training film well that sounds plausible

1331
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,800
doesn't it

1332
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,200
well if it were a theatrical film why

1333
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,559
didn't i have a record of this

1334
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,400
it was my job to keep accurate records

1335
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,559
of all audio visual purchases

1336
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,319
is there any other reason that you feel

1337
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,079
this was not a theatrical film

1338
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:44,160
yes it was too real the people who were

1339
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,119
shooting

1340
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,040
that they were air force personnel lucky

1341
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,280
for us the day they were shooting

1342
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:52,160
they were doing an acceleration test

1343
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,119
it's too bad we couldn't get that

1344
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,559
footage from the air force

1345
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,839
gentlemen thank you very much for being

1346
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,319
with us tonight

1347
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,760
one of the most compelling sightings in

1348
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,599
recent years took place in gulf breeze

1349
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:03,839
florida where over 100 people witnessed

1350
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,150
[Music]

1351
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,920
i believe gulf breeze will turn out to

1352
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,920
be one of the most important ufo cases

1353
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:14,880
of all time

1354
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,430
something is happening in gulf breeze

1355
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:25,200
florida rod serling himself couldn't

1356
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:26,839
have come up with a stranger sequence of

1357
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,839
events

1358
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,920
gulf freeze is a beautiful affluent

1359
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,880
community of six

1360
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,040
thousand on a peninsula near pensacola

1361
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,240
florida

1362
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,640
it is here on a quiet residential street

1363
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,079
that a person known to us

1364
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,400
only as ed spotted a strange object

1365
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,400
floating above his house

1366
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,760
november 11 1987 ed snapped five

1367
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:48,880
photographs that day

1368
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,079
and changed his life forever over the

1369
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,760
next seven months he saw the object

1370
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,119
several times

1371
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,359
shooting another 36 pictures with three

1372
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,520
different cameras

1373
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,680
witnesses include his wife and kids

1374
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,720
family friends

1375
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,200
neighbors and even city officials two

1376
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:06,880
other people allegedly photographed the

1377
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,800
same object

1378
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,720
could it be a secret military device

1379
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,319
gulf breeze is literally surrounded by

1380
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,920
military bases but the public

1381
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,760
information officers disclaim official

1382
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,440
knowledge of any ufo

1383
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,599
now here's ed's photograph of a ufo

1384
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,359
notice the strong blue beam that ed

1385
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,040
claims first paralyzed him

1386
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,040
then levitated him and dropped him

1387
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,559
clumsy aliens

1388
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,920
this is the most famous of ed's

1389
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,680
photographs which he took

1390
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,040
weeks later through the windshield of

1391
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,760
his truck the ufo hovers just three p

1392
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,280
three feet off the ground it's been

1393
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,200
reflecting off the asphalt

1394
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,359
ed says he was partially paralyzed again

1395
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,680
but escaped this time

1396
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,000
this is ed's home video shot as he

1397
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,480
crouched in the bushes near his home

1398
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,359
the ufo retraces its path rotating as it

1399
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,280
travels through the same airspace

1400
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,200
notice how it goes behind the trees in

1401
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,960
and out reversing direction and coming

1402
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,319
back

1403
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,640
now ed is a respected family man runs a

1404
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,559
successful business and has shunned all

1405
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,960
publicity and declined to be on our show

1406
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,160
what about it gulf breeze is there

1407
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,680
really something going on down there or

1408
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,760
is it all an elaborate hoax

1409
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,839
dwayne cook is editor of the gulf breeze

1410
00:55:15,789 --> 00:55:13,920
sentinel donald ware as a ufo

1411
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,799
investigator who claims to know of

1412
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:18,319
153 first-hand witnesses who have seen

1413
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,359
the object

1414
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,960
jerry brown is the chief of police and

1415
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,799
gulf breeze

1416
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,720
don you're an ex-air force officer who's

1417
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,760
firmly convinced something

1418
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,280
extraterrestrial has been appearing in

1419
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,400
the skies around

1420
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,680
above gulf breeze what convinced you

1421
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:34,640
my one couple had 22 encounters

1422
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,359
including

1423
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,839
18 separate photographic sessions in a

1424
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:38,960
five and a half month

1425
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,000
period and many

1426
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:45,200
any independent witnesses highly

1427
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,000
credible

1428
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,839
also reported seeing the same objects

1429
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,359
that were photographed

1430
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,160
four people reported seeing the aliens

1431
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,240
six reported blue beams coming from the

1432
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,760
ufo

1433
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:58,319
and ten have reported periods of missing

1434
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,200
time

1435
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,799
okay how about you chief brown i take it

1436
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,119
you're not convinced

1437
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,160
no sir i'm not uh we are one of the

1438
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,480
have one of the busiest airspaces in the

1439
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,440
country

1440
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:12,079
and uh not to say that all these people

1441
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,480
here

1442
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,880
are lying not telling the truth i firmly

1443
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,079
believe they are seeing

1444
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,720
something because at any time or any

1445
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,160
place there's different lights

1446
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,400
different things that you can see what i

1447
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,440
don't believe

1448
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,640
is the things the local papers and the

1449
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:29,599
tv media has put out of a flying saucer

1450
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,079
with

1451
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:32,240
beings from another planet i just simply

1452
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,280
don't believe that

1453
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,440
okay dwayne i guess you could say that

1454
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,799
you're the fellow responsible for

1455
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,760
stirring this up

1456
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,760
your paper has faithfully supported ed's

1457
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,440
story much to the consternation of many

1458
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,440
of your neighbors

1459
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,119
well i guess you could say we have

1460
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,799
stirred it up mike yeah

1461
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,119
but i really can't say i'm aware of any

1462
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,599
too much consternation

1463
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,839
most of gulf breeze really believes ed's

1464
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,680
photographs and his story

1465
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,599
just like they believe the hundred plus

1466
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,440
other witnesses that have seen it

1467
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,680
most of when which are here tonight a

1468
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,599
reporter mark curtis in pensacola has

1469
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,359
followed the saga of the gulf breeze ufo

1470
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,720
from the very beginning what were your

1471
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,799
initial thoughts

1472
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,720
mike i was amazed at the detail and

1473
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,079
clarity of these photographs

1474
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,480
but i was very skeptical so we brought

1475
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,599
in some photographic

1476
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,359
experts to look at them and none have

1477
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:19,119
been able to tell that these pictures

1478
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,079
are fakes

1479
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:23,200
also ed has taken two lie detector tests

1480
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,400
and passed them both

1481
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,000
aside from the picture though this is

1482
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:27,359
the story of the witnesses and the

1483
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,920
people

1484
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,680
charlie somerby and his wife doris saw

1485
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,200
this object last november charlie if you

1486
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
could tell us what you saw

1487
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,720
well it's right after the sunset over

1488
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,040
east bay we saw this circular object it

1489
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,040
was bluish gray in color

1490
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,119
and with light shining out through

1491
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:43,680
portholes and the really amazing thing

1492
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,240
was

1493
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:48,000
bertram please join us jesse as a

1494
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,280
youngster here he was playing with a

1495
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,799
friend last december tell us what you

1496
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:51,599
saw

1497
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,839
blackish white object

1498
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,839
and it was moving then it disappeared we

1499
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,599
ran behind the gulf breeze elementary

1500
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,640
school

1501
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,680
and then it we saw it moving again then

1502
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,880
it disappeared

1503
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,480
mrs bertram what did you do did you

1504
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:07,760
believe these youngsters when they told

1505
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,400
you this

1506
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,480
no i didn't i'm a skeptic anyway but i

1507
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,839
had them sit down at different ends of

1508
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,799
the table and draw

1509
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,640
what they saw and the pictures were

1510
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,000
identical and they matched what were in

1511
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,040
the newspaper

1512
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,559
one of the most interesting sightings

1513
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:20,400
came from jeff thompson jeff if you join

1514
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,760
us and tell us what you saw in the

1515
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:23,200
morning during the daylight on november

1516
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:23,839
11th

1517
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:28,799
morning a ufo came within 400 feet of me

1518
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,520
at treetop level i noticed two military

1519
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,440
jets were following it about two air

1520
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,480
miles

1521
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,200
the ufo shot up at a 45 degree angle and

1522
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:38,720
waited for the jets to approach a little

1523
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,440
closer

1524
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,119
and then in an instant it just shot

1525
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,119
straight up what happened to the jetson

1526
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,720
are you sure they're military jets

1527
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,079
yeah they're military jets i believe

1528
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,920
that eglin because around here we just

1529
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,280
have the red and white

1530
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,319
navy training jets and they just the the

1531
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,920
military jets just kind of curved over

1532
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,079
the bay and went on back towards eglin

1533
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,480
this may just be the tip of the iceberg

1534
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:59,839
how many people in this room tonight

1535
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,240
have

1536
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,680
seen a ufo raise your hands please

1537
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,240
wow there you have it washington okay

1538
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,680
well you keep watching gulf breeze

1539
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,880
because you'll find this next thing

1540
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,040
interesting

1541
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:13,040
ufo cover-up worked closely with two of

1542
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,319
the nation's leading experts in

1543
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:16,000
photographic analysis in an attempt to

1544
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:17,440
shed some light on the photographs taken

1545
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,799
by the man called ed

1546
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,400
dr robert nathan has been with the jet

1547
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,799
propulsion laboratory for 16 years

1548
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:24,799
during that time he's exposed many ufo

1549
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,710
our staff gave dr nathan several of the

1550
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,079
negatives in the hope that his

1551
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,680
advanced techniques in computer

1552
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:35,359
enhancement would shed some light on the

1553
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,309
i'm uh not too comfortable with

1554
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,400
adultery's photographs

1555
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,440
i feel that many of these images are

1556
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:50,799
double exposure photographs the craft

1557
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,599
in many of these images seems to be a

1558
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,559
different focus

1559
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,960
that they're either more sharply focused

1560
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,559
or fuzzier

1561
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:01,520
than the surrounding background objects

1562
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,000
the

1563
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,200
bright

1564
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,040
it's as if there is some kind of

1565
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:09,520
external light shining on it

1566
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,559
the situation that would arise if the

1567
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,280
craft were in a room at an earlier time

1568
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,119
with room light shining from all

1569
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,480
directions

1570
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,720
uh it seems that in quite a few of these

1571
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:22,160
pictures the

1572
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,400
very top and bottom of the spacecraft

1573
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,480
are very sharply cut off whereas the

1574
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,760
rest of the image is

1575
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,920
rather fuzzy giving me the feeling that

1576
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:33,520
there's some kind of

1577
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,119
cut and paste onto some surface

1578
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,160
it appears that with every photograph

1579
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:43,200
where this object appears that it's

1580
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,760
against

1581
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:47,040
a relatively uniformly dark background

1582
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,400
the kind that you need for double

1583
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,599
exposure

1584
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,799
when you add two images together you get

1585
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,599
the intensities added and even though

1586
01:01:02,950 --> 01:00:56,559
the

1587
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,960
sky

1588
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,359
i've been chasing these ufo sightings

1589
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,960
for 30 years

1590
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,319
i would have liked to have said

1591
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:09,920
differently but i'm afraid the gulf

1592
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,730
breeze photographs just don't check out

1593
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,400
[Music]

1594
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,839
thank you dr nathan now to make things

1595
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:17,119
perfectly clear a man who takes a

1596
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,160
completely different view

1597
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:20,240
is dr bruce mcabee an optical physicist

1598
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,599
working for the u.s navy who has

1599
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,160
explained many ufo photos in the past dr

1600
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,839
mcabee you spent hundreds of hours

1601
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,280
studying these images and you've come to

1602
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,960
the conclusion there's no hoax involved

1603
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,480
in this case is that correct

1604
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,880
yes mike dr nathan has studied only a

1605
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,400
few of the photographs

1606
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,319
i on the other hand have analyzed all

1607
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:38,000
the photographic evidence which includes

1608
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:39,200
stereo photos

1609
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,720
that allowed me to calculate the

1610
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,720
distance and size of the ufo

1611
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,200
i've also analyzed the video tape i have

1612
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,720
asked myself if the photographic

1613
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,920
evidence were a hoax

1614
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,240
how was it done i have considered many

1615
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:52,000
methods for creating trick photos

1616
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,599
each method can leave a characteristic

1617
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,119
flaw within a photo

1618
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,039
and i have searched for such flaws for

1619
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,280
example i have looked above each ufo

1620
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,720
to see if there is a fine line

1621
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,880
indicating it was suspended by a string

1622
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,480
i have looked below each image to see if

1623
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,920
there is any indication it was resting

1624
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,359
on a table or post

1625
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,440
i looked for reflections in glass double

1626
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,760
exposures and photographic montages

1627
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,200
i have found that none of these methods

1628
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,359
had been used therefore after many many

1629
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,640
hours of analysis

1630
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,160
i have found nothing in the photos which

1631
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:20,160
could refute the sighting reports

1632
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,520
my opinion is that the photos are

1633
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:23,280
genuine and these crafts are not from

1634
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,000
here

1635
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,119
human race operating them

1636
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,680
thank you dr mcabee for your analysis

1637
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,520
earlier in the show we met bill moore

1638
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,359
joining us now is jamie chandurray a

1639
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,200
television producer and director

1640
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,799
both began regular contacts with

1641
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,640
government agents regarding ufos six

1642
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,079
years ago and amassed an enormous

1643
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,280
quantity of information about the

1644
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:42,960
government's ufo program

1645
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:46,000
welcome gentlemen a bill tell us how you

1646
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,280
first got involved

1647
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,359
i got a phone call after appearing on a

1648
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,839
radio show from a man who said

1649
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,440
you're the only person we've heard talk

1650
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,039
about this subject who seems to know

1651
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,960
what he's talking about

1652
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,640
he convinced me that he was a government

1653
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:00,720
intelligence agent and wanted to begin

1654
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,680
disseminating some

1655
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:04,079
information about ufos to the public the

1656
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:06,160
man bill is referring to is falcon whom

1657
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:07,599
we've seen in shadow to protect his

1658
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,240
identity

1659
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,799
that's right i didn't think that i could

1660
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,240
handle it all alone

1661
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,760
the volume of material i was getting

1662
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,920
from falcon was rather mind-boggling so

1663
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,440
i got together with jamie

1664
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,920
and we joined forces in june of 1982 and

1665
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:22,400
falcon told us about mj-12

1666
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:26,880
mj-12 functions as a policy-making

1667
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:30,559
group relating to extraterrestrial

1668
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:31,440
activities

1669
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:38,240
within the united states they make the

1670
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:39,200
policy

1671
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:42,559
obtain presidential approval and then

1672
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,910
how did you acquire the mj-12 documents

1673
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,200
well they were mailed to me in a plain

1674
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:52,799
brown envelope which contained president

1675
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:54,640
truman's executive order establishing mj

1676
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:55,200
12

1677
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,160
and the briefing document to

1678
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,839
president-elect eisenhower informing him

1679
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,559
of the 1947 crash in roswell new mexico

1680
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,799
and the recovery of alien bodies and

1681
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,160
then there were follow-up postcards

1682
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:05,920
ethiopian picture postcards mailed from

1683
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,640
new zealand

1684
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,720
with puzzles and riddles right the

1685
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,559
puzzles were clues

1686
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:13,599
for example for a stylish look shop suit

1687
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,559
land

1688
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,640
this led us to the national repository

1689
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,480
in suitland maryland where we discovered

1690
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,880
the existence of top secret documents

1691
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,400
and filed a freedom of information

1692
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,000
request which led us further

1693
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,640
to the cutler twining document now all

1694
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,240
of our meetings with falcon were secret

1695
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,880
oh wait gentlemen riddles postcards

1696
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,480
secret meetings code words didn't you

1697
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,920
suspect somebody was pulling your leg

1698
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:35,359
we always look for a hoax but within

1699
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,720
every clue there was always some

1700
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:37,839
verifiable fact

1701
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,240
so you were able to verify mj-12

1702
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,039
validating mj12 was difficult because

1703
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,880
we couldn't find any government agency

1704
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:46,559
that would admit publicly that they were

1705
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,319
aware of mj-12's existence

1706
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,839
well so without validating it how do you

1707
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,359
get from there to here well after

1708
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,720
hundreds of hours of research we're

1709
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:54,079
working with experts trying to validate

1710
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,799
the documents

1711
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,960
but most important the contacts have

1712
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,640
grown to include falcon and nine other

1713
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,760
government agents

1714
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,119
and why do you believe them well because

1715
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:02,559
we've been able to meet with them we've

1716
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:03,760
been able to check and verify

1717
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:05,599
credentials and it's clear that they are

1718
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:05,920
in

1719
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,400
secret need-to-know positions falcon's

1720
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:10,000
position for example gives him access to

1721
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,799
the mj-12

1722
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:12,559
infrastructure why don't we just hear it

1723
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:18,630
and j-12 was a group of people

1724
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:21,599
within the government fktov was created

1725
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:22,240
by

1726
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:25,599
president of truman early 50s and their

1727
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,480
job was to

1728
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,960
investigate keep track of information

1729
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,760
pertaining to

1730
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:32,400
ufos part of their job was scientific

1731
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:33,520
advancements

1732
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,280
but uh their primary purpose was

1733
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:39,520
to keep track of the information coming

1734
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,559
in on ufos

1735
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,440
and to analyze the information both uh

1736
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,720
scientifically

1737
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:47,039
and in a way that would advance our

1738
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,160
technology

1739
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,640
there are government officials and

1740
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:51,760
elected

1741
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:54,960
officials that are automatically briefed

1742
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:58,559
on the existence of the mj-12

1743
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,000
activities these officials include

1744
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:05,039
the president the vice president has

1745
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,559
elected officials

1746
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,359
the director of central intelligence and

1747
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:11,520
the director of the national

1748
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,119
security agency the mj-12 policy

1749
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:18,160
is headquartered the naval observatory

1750
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:21,680
in washington d.c the united states

1751
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:24,880
navy has the primary

1752
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:28,160
operational responsibilities

1753
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:31,839
of field activities relating to the

1754
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:32,720
mj-12

1755
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,559
policies all information gathered

1756
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:39,599
in the field not necessarily by

1757
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,960
navy personnel is transmitted to the

1758
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:43,839
navy

1759
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,150
other known government agencies feed

1760
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:51,599
information to mj 12

1761
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:54,079
through a top secret cover project known

1762
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,200
to us as project

1763
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,760
aquarius now mj-12 connects to select

1764
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,280
individuals within the national security

1765
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,359
council the joint chiefs of staff

1766
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,280
the white house intelligence unit the

1767
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:05,039
national security agency the central

1768
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,160
intelligence agency

1769
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,599
research is conducted the data

1770
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:11,280
classified and cataloged all under the

1771
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,920
umbrella

1772
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,880
of strictest national security the mj-12

1773
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,559
table of organization created by moore

1774
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:18,079
and chandurai purports to give us an

1775
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,359
understanding of a complex

1776
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,200
intra-governmental chain of command

1777
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,599
existing solely to oversee organize and

1778
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:26,079
administer the data on ufos and ets

1779
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,789
an astonishing account of alien corpses

1780
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:34,000
found in the desert

1781
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,400
next on ufo cover-up live

1782
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,920
what bill moore and jamie chandra's

1783
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,839
source falcon told us about aliens will

1784
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,880
astonish you

1785
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,559
lbs communications and seligman

1786
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,319
productions makes no claim in favor of

1787
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,920
or against the truth and accuracy of

1788
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,880
this material

1789
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,480
we ask only that you watch and listen

1790
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:52,000
and make up your own minds

1791
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,200
now if you feel a congressional

1792
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,720
investigation is warranted to get the

1793
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,400
facts about ufos after the american

1794
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,799
public please call this 900 number

1795
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,319
if you feel an investigation is not

1796
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,480
necessary call this number

1797
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,160
bill moore and jamie shanduray have

1798
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:06,160
checked and verified falcons and condors

1799
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,200
credentials

1800
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,280
peter leone also met falcon and here's

1801
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,760
his statement

1802
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,680
i met with a government intelligence

1803
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:15,520
agents with the code name of

1804
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:20,000
falcon in 1983 with jamie and bill

1805
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,520
at the time that i was an executive

1806
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,920
producer of news for the cbs station in

1807
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:24,880
los angeles

1808
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,000
at the time we verified as authentic

1809
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:31,520
his credentials and then again in 1987

1810
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,640
we met again with

1811
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,960
falcon and again verified his

1812
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:36,799
credentials

1813
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,159
i'm satisfied at this time that he is

1814
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,990
the fact that i have proven my identity

1815
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,799
to you

1816
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:49,279
showed you my credentials and verified

1817
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,839
my

1818
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,839
existence within the intelligence

1819
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,080
community you also have

1820
01:08:58,450 --> 01:08:57,199
some of my colleagues who have verified

1821
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,460
the same information

1822
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,199
[Music]

1823
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,719
we asked falcon where he found out so

1824
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,480
much about extraterrestrial biological

1825
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,199
entities or ebes this book

1826
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,319
or it's called the bible within the

1827
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,679
mj-12 community contains

1828
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,640
historically everything that occurred

1829
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:17,759
from the truman

1830
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,679
era up through the three aliens being

1831
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,920
guests of the united states government

1832
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,920
technological data gathered from the

1833
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,799
aliens

1834
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,279
medical history gathered from dead

1835
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,799
aliens

1836
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:33,839
that were found in the desert autopsy

1837
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:38,000
information gathered from dead aliens

1838
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,000
found in the desert and information

1839
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,880
obtained from the extraterrestrials

1840
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:47,120
regarding their social structure

1841
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,120
and their information pertaining to

1842
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:53,120
the universe was there an additional

1843
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:00,550
presently as of the year 1988

1844
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,840
there is one extraterrestrial being

1845
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,400
he's a guest of the united states

1846
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:07,600
government

1847
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,719
and he's remained hidden from public

1848
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:11,679
view

1849
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,719
the yellow book is a book that was

1850
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,320
exclusively written

1851
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:19,600
by the second alien the book

1852
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:22,640
relates to the aliens

1853
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:26,159
planet solar system sons

1854
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:29,360
the culture and society makeup on the

1855
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,400
planet

1856
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,440
the social structure of the aliens

1857
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:36,480
and the aliens life

1858
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:39,920
among earthlings what was most

1859
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:40,719
intriguing

1860
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:44,560
to me in my experience with the aliens

1861
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,320
is a i believe an octagon

1862
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,360
shaped crystal which when held

1863
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:54,239
in the alien's hand and viewed by a

1864
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:55,280
second person

1865
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,640
displays these pictures

1866
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:01,600
could be can be of the aliens home

1867
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:02,560
planet

1868
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,400
or pictures of earth many thousands of

1869
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:07,440
years ago

1870
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,640
we asked where the ebes came from

1871
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:13,600
he was in the uh zeta reticuli star

1872
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:14,330
group

1873
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,840
[Music]

1874
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:19,520
now condor tells us about a deal our

1875
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:21,040
government made with the aliens

1876
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:24,840
um from what he understands the side

1877
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,400
between our u.s government and the

1878
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,120
extraterrestrials

1879
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,400
and essentially the agreement says that

1880
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:35,520
uh we won't disclose your existence

1881
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,320
if you do not interfere

1882
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:42,560
uh we allow you to operate from a

1883
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,520
designated

1884
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,600
base here in the united states it's in

1885
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:47,040
the state of nevada

1886
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:50,320
in an area called area 51 or dreamland

1887
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,840
the extraterrestrials have complete

1888
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:54,800
control

1889
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:58,239
of this base which is located in

1890
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,480
nevada my understanding is that three

1891
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,440
different aliens of the same species

1892
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:06,800
have resided

1893
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:11,520
within the united states from 1948

1894
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:15,280
or 49 until present day

1895
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:18,880
the first alien was captured

1896
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:22,640
in the mexican desert after

1897
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:26,239
its craft crashed the alien which was

1898
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:27,040
named

1899
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,320
eva by the government was

1900
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:33,440
kept in captivity for three years

1901
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:37,440
we learned a great deal of information

1902
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:40,800
about the aliens race

1903
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,080
culture and spacecrafts

1904
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,120
the second alien was a part of an

1905
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,719
exchange program

1906
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:51,199
i don't recall what year that alien

1907
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,320
visited

1908
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:55,199
the third alien was also part of an

1909
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:56,719
exchange program

1910
01:13:02,830 --> 01:12:59,760
and has been a guest

1911
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,840
of the united states government since

1912
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,400
1982

1913
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:05,920
we asked what they looked like you know

1914
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:13,669
creature about uh three foot

1915
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:16,840
four to three foot eight inches tall

1916
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:20,239
um their eyes are

1917
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:23,760
extremely large almost like

1918
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,800
a style uh their eyes have a couple of

1919
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,000
different inner lips

1920
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,360
the uh the days were extremely bright uh

1921
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,120
probably twice to three times as bright

1922
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:34,880
as our sun i think

1923
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,840
they have just two uh openings the world

1924
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,640
knows who they

1925
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:41,520
have a small mouth uh they have no teeth

1926
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:42,480
as we know it

1927
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:46,239
they have a hard gum-like uh area uh

1928
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,440
their

1929
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:50,159
internal organs are quite simple they

1930
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,199
have a

1931
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,000
a one organ which it does the job of our

1932
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,360
heart and lungs

1933
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,520
and digestive system is just really

1934
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:59,440
simple their uh

1935
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,880
skin structure is extremely uh it's a

1936
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:06,000
very elastic skin and

1937
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,480
hard probably hardening from their sun

1938
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,640
they have some basic organs their brain

1939
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,800
is more complex than ours

1940
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,760
has a uh several different loops and

1941
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,040
ours have

1942
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,560
um their eyes are

1943
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,400
where our eyes are controlled by the

1944
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,320
back of our head theirs is controlled by

1945
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,880
the father burning their hearing is

1946
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,320
quite better than ours almost better

1947
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,000
than the dogs small

1948
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,440
areas uh their sexual organs

1949
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,239
are they have males and females their

1950
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,840
civilian bladder is one or

1951
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,840
they excrete ways that they have another

1952
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,199
organ which i don't know if our

1953
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,360
scientists determine what it was for but

1954
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,360
they believe it's to transfer the solid

1955
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:48,960
wastes and the liquid wastes

1956
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:51,520
they have hands without thumbs and four

1957
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:52,400
fingers without

1958
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,920
any thumbs uh their feet are wet like

1959
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,360
small one like

1960
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,800
so many questions occurred do they

1961
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,480
believe in a supreme being what's their

1962
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:02,000
intelligence level what's their average

1963
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:03,520
lifespan

1964
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:07,120
it's depressingly 350

1965
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:11,679
to 400 earth years it's my understanding

1966
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:15,760
that the aliens have an iq

1967
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,040
of over 200 they have a religion

1968
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,280
but it's a universal religion they

1969
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:22,880
believe in the universe

1970
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:26,239
as a supreme being the aliens enjoy

1971
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,000
music all types of music

1972
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:33,199
but especially ancient tibetan

1973
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,560
style music we asked about their diet

1974
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:41,280
they do eat vegetables they like

1975
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:42,320
vegetables

1976
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:46,239
and your favorite dish or snack

1977
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:50,080
is ice cream especially strawberry

1978
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,280
well the next time you're in an ice

1979
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,280
cream parlor just quietly notice who

1980
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,040
ordered strawberry okay

1981
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,800
as a wrap-up falcon and condor said to

1982
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,320
us i

1983
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,120
personally feel that this information

1984
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:03,840
should be presented to the public

1985
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,400
there's only a small portion of the

1986
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,159
information that we've gathered

1987
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:10,480
from the extraterrestrials that should

1988
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,840
be safeguarded or classified

1989
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,679
condor also suggested he'd like to see a

1990
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:17,360
congressional hearing on the subject

1991
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:19,040
interestingly enough he falcon and the

1992
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,400
third source have agreed to meet with

1993
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,840
the senator's staff to discuss

1994
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,120
all of the information they claim to

1995
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,040
have concerning ufos and aliens

1996
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,719
from this meeting a senate investigation

1997
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,080
could ensue

1998
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:29,679
now if this is true tonight we're

1999
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,030
we're back by satellite with our

2000
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:37,280
contacts in moscow ussr

2001
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,510
once again from tas here is sergey

2002
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,400
bolonsev tell us again sergey about the

2003
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:48,640
preliminary findings from tunguska

2004
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,310
are you on the line seriously explosion

2005
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:55,199
which occurred

2006
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:58,800
in 1908 still attracts a

2007
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,800
tremendous amount of public attention

2008
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,880
i traveled twice on the site of the

2009
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:06,640
explosion

2010
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:09,679
it is in a very remote very distant

2011
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,600
part of siberia and according to some

2012
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,040
recent findings

2013
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:17,440
the most astonishing fact about tunguska

2014
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,239
explosion

2015
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,280
is that actually there were two

2016
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:24,719
objects two objects i would say

2017
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,840
two ufos the first one

2018
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:30,000
had been seen early in the morning at

2019
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,280
approximately

2020
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:34,960
8 a.m and it was exploded

2021
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,400
it exploded over the tunguska forest

2022
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,199
and the second van had been seen in the

2023
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,880
afternoon

2024
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,120
one can get the impression that the

2025
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:47,600
second object was looking for the first

2026
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,159
one

2027
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,520
yes and mike by the way why shouldn't we

2028
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:53,199
arrange a joint soviet american

2029
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,840
expedition to the site of the explosion

2030
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,760
i think that's a terrific idea sergey

2031
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,199
i'm sure there are many americans who

2032
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,880
would like to join us

2033
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:02,560
we'll talk further now we're looking

2034
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:04,000
forward to the final reports from this

2035
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:05,840
latest expedition to siberia

2036
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,280
thanks for the news flash sergey

2037
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,520
boulanson and thanks for opening a new

2038
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:11,280
channel of communication between the us

2039
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,669
now we've invited three people who are

2040
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,679
highly skeptical of ufo phenomena

2041
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,880
we would like them to give you their

2042
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,280
point of view let's meet them first

2043
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,679
david williamson a 30-year veteran nasa

2044
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,280
senior staff member who is well known as

2045
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:27,360
the ufo point person at the

2046
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,640
national aeronautics and space

2047
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,800
administration james oberg who has

2048
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,600
written many

2049
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,920
books and articles about space and ufos

2050
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,920
and lectures widely on related topics

2051
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,679
and finally dr herbert spiegel who heads

2052
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:39,600
the columbia college of physicians and

2053
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,400
surgeons

2054
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:43,199
postgraduate program is in hypnosis and

2055
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,560
is the author of the book trance

2056
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,920
and treatment the clinical uses of

2057
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:48,320
hypnosis gentlemen thank you for being

2058
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,600
here dr spiegel

2059
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:51,040
you're the expert in hypnosis what do

2060
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,840
you think of the technique of hypnotic

2061
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:54,560
regression

2062
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,480
well the hypnosis is accurately regarded

2063
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:00,560
as controlled imagination which

2064
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,000
includes misperceptions as well

2065
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:06,239
now what you can do with hypnosis is to

2066
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,840
intensify

2067
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,560
the the memories that we have but that

2068
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,840
also includes

2069
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,920
our inner feelings as well as our

2070
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:16,080
memories with the original distortions

2071
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:17,280
in the first place

2072
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,719
but hypnosis does not at all enhance the

2073
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,719
accuracy of the original perception in

2074
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,920
the first place

2075
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:26,000
does not does not the question of

2076
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
commonalities does that mean anything

2077
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,760
it's simply because we know that in our

2078
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,280
forensic work

2079
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,400
that too many misperceptions occur in

2080
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:36,480
the first place and

2081
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:39,840
if you now intensify it with the vivid

2082
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,280
recall of hypnosis then all you do is

2083
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:45,520
exaggerating what you already started

2084
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,480
off

2085
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,800
with as a misperception all right sir mr

2086
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,320
williamson what does nasa's point man on

2087
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,679
ufos have to say in response to the

2088
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:53,600
material you've seen

2089
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,480
sort of interesting the official nasa

2090
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,320
position has been for 11 years

2091
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,320
that we will analyze legitimate

2092
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,080
materials physically

2093
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:04,719
available to us give us a quick claim so

2094
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,360
that we can

2095
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:07,840
cut it apart and so forth in those 11

2096
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,400
years

2097
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,199
we haven't had any physical evidence

2098
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,960
what you're dealing here with here seems

2099
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,679
to be a

2100
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:15,920
phenomenon very real since ezekiel all

2101
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,800
the way to

2102
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:19,440
florida yes but it is not a physical

2103
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,719
phenomena that you can measure that you

2104
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,679
can put your hands on

2105
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:23,360
that you can bring to the laboratory i

2106
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,040
don't know what it is it's obviously

2107
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,520
real you can't you can have some hoaxes

2108
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,520
quite a lot of hoaxes as you saw tonight

2109
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,679
but you also have a lot of people who

2110
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,480
know

2111
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:34,320
that they have felt something

2112
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:35,760
experienced something we don't know what

2113
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,320
it is

2114
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,480
keep an open mind and wait for physical

2115
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,000
evidence is probably

2116
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,840
the the best scientific advice you can

2117
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,280
get in the meantime

2118
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,760
look for ways to measure this thing

2119
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,280
thank goodness mr oberg what do you

2120
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:48,480
think about the evidence you've seen

2121
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,120
tonight

2122
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,040
playing some fast fasting material mike

2123
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,040
the most interesting part is that the

2124
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,120
materials put together

2125
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:56,960
left out an awful lot as well material

2126
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,639
within the ufo community itself

2127
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,400
with a lot of controversy and skepticism

2128
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:02,400
among ufo believers about the mg12

2129
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,280
material

2130
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:05,840
about gulf breeze as an example i'm glad

2131
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,880
to see the russians

2132
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,320
are brought into this because that

2133
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,760
really underscores what i think is

2134
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,440
happening a lot of these reports

2135
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:13,840
which is that people will see and

2136
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:16,239
interpret things in the sky as they

2137
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,000
interpret them and many times the

2138
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:19,920
government doesn't really mind

2139
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,800
that ufos are seen as flying saucers the

2140
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:24,000
case is discussed tonight that

2141
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:25,199
particularly the first case from the

2142
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:26,719
airliner 1984

2143
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:29,199
at 4 10 a.m turns out to have been it

2144
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,639
was seen by other people outside of

2145
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,679
russia as well

2146
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,639
a military rocket test up in the area of

2147
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,560
placeets which was a secret space center

2148
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,320
this happened so many times on soviet

2149
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,760
union they released official scientific

2150
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,080
reports from the academy of sciences

2151
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,080
claiming that things that people see

2152
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,760
which happens to be weapons tests phase

2153
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,199
weapons tests for example

2154
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,800
are ufos so but so to call them flying

2155
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,239
saw services and into

2156
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,920
and to present that point of view is

2157
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:56,239
actually to take part in the cover-up of

2158
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,280
their true nature

2159
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,360
which is in some ways a very ironic uh

2160
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,360
feature now in terms of whether or not

2161
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,600
these are real ufos whether or not the

2162
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,520
mj12 stories which seem to change every

2163
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,440
time we hear them from from falcon

2164
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:09,600
are true i'm afraid we don't have a 900

2165
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,560
number

2166
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,400
but i suggest we people go out and do is

2167
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,159
go out and buy strawberry ice cream if

2168
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:15,920
it's all gone maybe the ufo guy will go

2169
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,239
away

2170
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:19,199
great thank you very much gentlemen for

2171
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,159
being here

2172
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,600
since we went on the air two hours ago

2173
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:22,880
calls have been coming in from all over

2174
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,320
the country claiming to have experienced

2175
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,199
close encounters with ufos uh here are

2176
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:29,199
the results

2177
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:32,719
of the people that called in uh 20

2178
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,030
experience of those who claim to have

2179
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:41,840
had a close encounter of the first kind

2180
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:48,070
66 percent claim to have had a ufo

2181
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,880
experience of the

2182
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:51,440
close encounter the first kind a close

2183
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:52,960
encounter of the second kind

2184
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,000
five percent make that claim and

2185
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,840
three percent claim to have had a close

2186
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,679
encounter of the third kind that's

2187
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,679
perfect uh close encounters of the

2188
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:03,679
fourth kind six percent

2189
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,280
thus far in the program we've had uh

2190
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,120
how many percent of our callers calling

2191
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,800
for a congressional investigation

2192
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:13,120
87 percent saying yes congressional

2193
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,239
investigation

2194
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,600
no 13 percent i remember our telephones

2195
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,960
are active until 1 a.m

2196
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,880
october 15th eastern daylight time

2197
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,960
throughout the united states and canada

2198
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:25,040
at the nominal charge of a dollar all

2199
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,480
information received from your phone

2200
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:27,600
calls will be

2201
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,199
forwarded to a proper investigational

2202
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:30,480
committee should one be set up in

2203
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:34,080
congress here in washington dc

2204
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,600
thomas jefferson said the government

2205
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,280
must never lie to the people

2206
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,360
after all the sightings observations and

2207
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,880
testimonies presented here tonight we

2208
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,560
are left with the uneasy question

2209
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,080
has our government been lying to us

2210
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,199
about ufos are extraterrestrials here

2211
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,719
does our government have ufos hidden

2212
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,480
away in a warehouse

2213
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,080
or is it just some sort of

2214
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,159
misunderstanding or perhaps

2215
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,880
is it all a hoax a sci-fi fantasy in the

2216
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,760
minds of overzealous space fans

2217
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,120
could the government of the united

2218
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,520
states the citadel of the free world

2219
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,040
have covered up the most significant

2220
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:06,719
event of the 20th century

2221
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,400
is that logical you be the judge

2222
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:12,560
what does our future hold what

2223
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,840
technological breakthroughs can we

2224
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,960
expect

2225
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,280
let's look at the last decade computers

2226
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:21,280
that filled whole rooms now fit in your

2227
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,719
shirt pocket

2228
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:24,320
transmitters that once were the size of

2229
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,590
a bread box are now the size of a bee

2230
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:28,880
[Music]

2231
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:32,400
now let's look at today holographic

2232
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,360
images

2233
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,840
cd and optical disk players created by

2234
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,360
the laser

2235
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,880
we can send more information through a

2236
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,880
single weightless beam like this in one

2237
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:42,880
second than edison could send in five

2238
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,800
days through a thousand tons of copper

2239
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,920
wire

2240
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,000
suppose someday instead of pictures we

2241
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,239
could transmit the life code that makes

2242
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,440
you you

2243
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,159
being your dna personal blueprint of

2244
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:56,960
your essence to some distant star

2245
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:00,639
scientific reality no speculation

2246
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,520
but speculation can work we speculated

2247
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,840
on something besides walking

2248
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:08,239
we came up with a car we speculated

2249
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:09,920
about flying

2250
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,639
we went to the moon but this evening

2251
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,000
we're speculating about them

2252
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,800
the extraterrestrials not us not our

2253
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,480
technology but theirs

2254
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:20,480
perhaps the future holds this promise

2255
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:22,159
for us

2256
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:26,080
perhaps we're not alone good night and